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Last night by AlexielApril Last night by AlexielApril
Robb and Talisa the night before the RW

I'm so saadd
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Sensualis Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
I don't like Talissa, neither Robb, he seems have a stick in his ash all the time, and he was so critic over others but not himself and his unfaithful word. I loved when the Frey cut his head and all the stuff in the books and the GoT. Just perfect finish for his supergreat pride. The couple boring me. Great job of yours!
Vanessalisa Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014
I know they were supposed to have a child its was sad
ak1508 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Its really sad. I was very upset to see that scene. But, Robb brought it to himself. In my opinion, those were the main points:

1. Lost Jaime Lannister (although not his fault directly, but still)

2. Did not live up to his word and broke a marriage pact with the Freys. Considering, he could choose the bride from any of them, it wasnt THAT bad really. He was a king, and a king has to do what he MUST, for the good of his loyal subjects, not what he wants just for himself. If you want to be a great and respected leader - learn how to serve.

3. Executed Karstark. Should have just executed those who helped him in this, but kept him alive and imprisoned. That way his men would not have deserted him and he could have won the upcomming planned battle without having to go to Lord Walder.

4. Was too naive to believe that Lord Walder was just gonna make amends so easily. He has been told MANY times how sneaky and treacherous he is. At least, if he knew that he HAD to go there, then dont let your men get too drunk and dont let them leave their weapons away from them, and keep your own sword (or at least a dagger) at your disposal. Not a guaranteed chance of course, but certainly much better and would make Freys a bit more weary, whether they can have a clear go, or if it is too dangerous

Great pic thoufh! XD
Kraut007 Featured By Owner May 27, 2014
I´t sad, but true. And in the books, Robb acts even worse, considering that:

5. Frey soldiers and family members fought and died for Robb there. Among them Stevron Frey, Lord Walder´s firstborn son and heir, who was really respected by his Northern allies. 

6. Robb´s young bride Jeyne Westerling (aka Book!Talisa) hails from a family of former Lannister bannermen turned Stark allies. So, from Lord Walder´s point of view, Robb chose an enemy-turncloak over his daughters. Hell, Robb even replaced his squire Olyvar Frey with Jeyne´s brother. Can understand why old Walder felt betrayed by that.

The really sad thing is, several Freys did not know about the scheme and were sent away during the wedding, because they were "too friendly with the Starks". 
ak1508 Featured By Owner May 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I am both a book reader and a watcher of the TV show, so I can totally see how different Robb is in the two at certain points. In the book you sort of see it logically, that he would have had t handed to him eventually, while in the TV show I felt I could connect with him more and it looked like he really was in love with Talisa, so much that he knew what he was doing and how wrong it was, but couldn't help it. You could argue that it may show certain weakness in that way, but be honest - if you are young, never been in a relationship before (which I'm almost certain that he hasnt), fallin in love for real is a big f***in deal for you. You are willing to put anything on the line just so you can be with the person.
Kraut007 Featured By Owner May 29, 2014
No argument here. 
Robb´s relationship with Talisa is a lot more understandable than this  "Hi Mom! That´s Jeyne and she is my wife now."-thing from the books. Just a little frustrating that the show makes the Freys look even worse, because I love ASoIaF for its "No one is completely righteous" statement. 
ak1508 Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, I can say that the show more or less underlined the treacherous nature of the Freys, but I don't think they neccessarily made an emphasis on the "Freys being bad guys" kinda statement. It seems that is a more subjective perception that some viewers had, although perfectly understandable. I can still say that if I were Lord Walder Frey, I would be pretty f****ng pissed off, since it is still like a spit in the face. And a big embaressment for the house and him, his daughters etc. Even my dad said that if he were in Freys position, he would have done exact same thing to them lol
wikigiuli Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013  Professional General Artist
ops, ma sei italiana! XD e io che stavo a scrivere in inglese ;)

bell'immagine, ma sinceramente robb se l'è cercata... e talysa, chi cavolo è? ok, jeyne westerling era abbastanza inutile, ma insomma...
Balkoth26 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Skyta Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013  Student General Artist
The RW in the book is ... wondrously horrible too.

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